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Post by princessperil on Oct 5, 2013 17:19:55 GMT
I think we were going to start on the outside -- there are a couple of statues and plaques in the area to look at, and stuff in the lobby. Although what we're looking for could absolutely be inside the museum proper, I have a feeling that would be very needle-in-a-haystack of M. (Not that I wouldn't put it past him.)
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Post by silverfyrefly on Oct 5, 2013 17:51:19 GMT
Okay for those not in the IRC that will want to follow along later the two strongest candidates are:
1) The Legion of Honor (now an art museum) for reasons discussed here 2) The Musee Mecanique because its full of mechanical people (lifeless) that "stir" when you put in a coin, and has a fortune-telling grandmother figure. Also because MM.
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Post by Louis87 on Oct 5, 2013 18:48:02 GMT
I think it could matter if begins with a trip is at the end and what we are looking for? That would really matter Water should be the first thing from the beginning air should be the last. So the sentences are totally upside-down. I guess we'll see. I'm in Texas and nowhere near any fallen faces :( I'm not quite sure why you think the order is wrong when M gave us the order himself. And he said "the item you seek in the city of the fallen face" is a real item after people were talking about San Fransisco so I think it's our most likely path. I read his chat and the part of the story. I said the sentences are right. But upside down. The beginning is in the corner right? W E F A W City E F A But you did W E F A A F E W City See
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Post by subjectoftowels on Oct 5, 2013 19:38:26 GMT
I'm not quite sure why you think the order is wrong when M gave us the order himself. And he said "the item you seek in the city of the fallen face" is a real item after people were talking about San Fransisco so I think it's our most likely path. I read his chat and the part of the story. I said the sentences are right. But upside down. The beginning is in the corner right? W E F A W City E F A But you did W E F A A F E W City See Let's let this go. findthestarlight.com/post/63146096090/house-where-lifeless-stir-begins-with-a-trip-city-ofCornchak submitted the sentences in both orders (please read that WHOLE POST). The people who are going to the two locations tomorrow (and possibly Monday) have the sentences, so if they see something that could connect with "Begins with a trip" they will find it regardless of if the sentence is at the beginning or the end.
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Post by Louis87 on Oct 5, 2013 20:07:27 GMT
I read his chat and the part of the story. I said the sentences are right. But upside down. The beginning is in the corner right? W E F A W City E F A But you did W E F A A F E W City See Let's let this go. findthestarlight.com/post/63146096090/house-where-lifeless-stir-begins-with-a-trip-city-ofCornchak submitted the sentences in both orders (please read that WHOLE POST). The people who are going to the two locations tomorrow (and possibly Monday) have the sentences, so if they see something that could connect with "Begins with a trip" they will find it regardless of if the sentence is at the beginning or the end. Yes I read that WHOLE POST and didn't see it in the order I believe it to be. I think details matter and I was trying to help. Show me where he submitted it in my order. Maybe be less resistant to people bringing useful information to you. Saying this begins with a trip and LOOKING FOR A TRIP are two very different things, and worth mentioning.So I did. As far as I see nobody else did.
Anyway good luck
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Post by exicice on Oct 6, 2013 1:13:02 GMT
louis87 - i also got the order you described when i double checked it myself, starting with water/water instead of air/water. i get what you're saying with that. however, i feel that the order of sentences may not be too important, and the graph was probably to get the words of the lines into the correct order. IF there is nothing in san francisco and we're back to ground zero on this, then we very well may re-analyze the order of these lines. now, this doesn't stop you from keeping the water/water start and trying to decipher what else it could be! i personally don't see anything pop out differently with the different order, and i'm going to wait until sunday before trying to break all of it down according to the order of the lines EDIT: wait, maybe we did come up with two different things. i started water/water=city, then on to water/earth=of, water/fire fallen, etc. i will look into it the other way (w/w, e/w, f/w), too, and see if anything comes out. (basically, i have the same four sentences, but in a different order than the one posted to tumblr. i will see if maybe there are four completely different sentences.) EDIT2: okay, these are the two charts i got, first one i had, second one i just did. first ones gets characters by left-axis then top, second by top-then-left. W E F A W E F A (<--start here, e/w is second word) W city of fallen face W City house consult begins E house where lifeless stir E of where the with F consult the grand mother F fallen lifeless grand a A begins with a trip A face stir mother trip as you can see, they can both be read the same if you read the words top-down instead of left-right. so, i still think "city of fallen face" makes more sense in the context. and it is the first sentence instead of the last. but in my opinion, the order of the sentences doesn't change the "idea" much for me... at least not yet
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Post by cornchak on Oct 6, 2013 3:10:32 GMT
Hey guys.
Just so you know, I got the ordering I did because I put the origin at the lower left, which is the standard location for a graph if you want the values to be positive. While it is absolutely possible that the origin should be somewhere other than the lower left, this made the most sense for me. So with the origin at the lower left, or (0,0) I read the phrases in ascending order, from 0 up.
Furthermore, at first I present the phrases to M in a relatively random order. He urged us to find the correct order. I resubmitted them and he told us we had gotten to a path.
As far as I am concerned, this one is solved.
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Post by silverfyrefly on Oct 6, 2013 3:31:17 GMT
Also M has referred to "The city of fallen face" on findthestarlight.com so at the very least that phrase is correct, and it thus follows the other phrases must be correct.
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danagel
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Post by danagel on Oct 6, 2013 16:54:12 GMT
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Post by exicice on Oct 6, 2013 23:48:32 GMT
from what (little) i've caught up with so far in chat, it was indeed on the agenda, and nothing was found there, or at any of the other places checked. bummer!
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summersumz
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Post by summersumz on Oct 7, 2013 4:53:37 GMT
Musee Mecanique Line of Exploration
We learned from M that we had the sentences right, but in the reverse order. Our revised clue is this: city of fallen face house where lifeless stir consult the grand mother begins with a trip here's a current theory that we're mulling over. If this is the solution, we're not yet sure how this deciphers as a key.
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Post by enaxor on Oct 7, 2013 5:16:16 GMT
M joined us in chat earlier this evening. Here's a copy of what was said...
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Post by cvxn on Oct 7, 2013 6:09:29 GMT
I wasn't there, but what jumps out at me from my initial reading of this chat is M's use of the phrase "back up" (more than once!) and the fact that he seems to react to the words "back up". Maybe the clue isn't in the room, but in/around the doorway/door sill of the room the Grandmother is in at the MM.
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Post by cornchak on Oct 7, 2013 6:31:01 GMT
I've solved the minecraft cipher and the answer follows (potential typoes, but I don't think so): The key was what summersumz posted above. The minecraft numbers indexed into the letters of the fortune that began with "A trip"
in place of a lost boy who hoped for the spring our fair maidens stand in a ring find the lost girl and follow her north to where her father carried her forth mind her corner and through that hole go her first name follows news you must know that marked with the eleventh breath tells a tale where the train took the son is the end of the trail when you get there look out at the words set in stone the door will open the third that is shown
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Post by exicice on Oct 7, 2013 6:55:15 GMT
great that this part was solved! excellent job, cornchak. i'm excited, as we try to figure out what it means. looks like louis87 was correct in pointing out that the sentences may go in a different order (i had a different order, also, but didn't feel as compelled to call attention to it). i think this is a good reminder for all of us that even if we're digging down multiple, conflicting, confusing holes, it's good to keep our minds open to alternatives.
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